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In this podcast series, we explore all things cyber, including the legal, regulatory and policy developments that impact corporate Australia. We will do this by speaking to those people who are shaping the Australian legal and regulatory environment. Those who are on the front line, protecting Australian companies from cyber incidents.

Cyber Risk Survey 2024 now live!

Following the success of our inaugural Cyber Risk Survey in 2023, we are once again surveying in-house lawyers to better understand their cyber-related experiences and concerns. This year, our survey is going global! If you are an in-house lawyer in Australia, Asia, the UK, Europe, the Middle East or the US, we would love your insights!


Episode 6: Cross Examining Andrew Penn - Part 2

In this episode, we finish our cross examination of Andy Penn, previously CEO of Telstra and more recently the Chair of the Government’s Expert Advisory Board . The conversation just gets better...

Andy makes some insightful comments about the similarities between our physical world and our digital world, and how this should guide our measure of success. We also take a closer look at the Cyber Strategy, the value in placing responsibility on those best placed to take responsibility, what does "good" look like, the value in managing data holdings, threat sharing / locking, the benefit of transparency and reporting (rather than banning extortion).

Andy also makes some incredibly relevant (and sobering) observations on the impact that compute power and quantum computing will have on our security settings (“…a Y2K event when don’t know the date…”).

Finally, I ask Andy “what makes a great lawyer”? Luckily, we come out of that question relatively unscathed.

This is Episode 6 of our podcast series. Cross examining Andy Penn. Here we go…


Episode 5: Cross Examining Andrew Penn - Part 1

In this episode we cross examine Andy Penn, previously CEO of Telstra and more recently the Chair of the Government’s Expert Advisory Board (leading the development of strategic advice to the Government in relation to the Cyber Security Strategy). We caught up with Andy from his home in Mexico (a town called San Miguel de Allende). Andy brings a level of industry and policy expertise that is unrivalled. Again, we have split the discussion in two. In this episode, we talk about the formation of the Cyber Security Strategy, the dynamics of cybercrime, what success looks like and offensive / defensive security strategies. There is more to come in our conversation, but let’s kick things off with part 1 of our cross examination of Andy Penn. Here we go…!


Episode 4: Cross Examining Bill Siegel – Part 2

In this episode, we return with Part 2 of our discussion with Bill Siegel, the CEO of Coveware. We look closely at Coveware itself (and its history), the scope of Coveware’s services, how threat actor negotiations unfold, banning ransom payments, the role of the cyber simulation and what makes a good simulation. We also discussed the role of the board during an incident and managed to squeeze some cyber predictions out of Bill, including the impacts of AI on the cyber landscape. This is a “must listen” episode!


Episode 3: Cross Examining Bill Siegel – Part 1

This is Episode 3 of Cross Examining Cyber, where we cross examine Bill Siegel, CEO & Co-Founder of Coveware. We could have talked to Bill for hours, so we have broken this podcast in two.

Part 1 covers a range of issues including the establishment of Coveware, the value of good data, cyber extortion payment trends, cyber extortion “business models” and the challenging geopolitics we all face. Here we go…


Episode 2: Cross Examining: Hamish Hansford – Part 2

Hot-on-the-heels of our inaugural podcast, we now bring you Cross Examining Cyber, Episode 2, the cross examination of Hamish Hansford (Part 2). We take the time to speak to Hamish about the SOCI Act, whether we are winning the war on cyber and the role of lawyers in the crisis room..


Episode 1: Cross Examining: Hamish Hansford – Part 1

In our inaugural podcast, we are joined by Hamish Hansford, Deputy Secretary Cyber & Infrastructure Security, Home Affairs.

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